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To: Letter to the Editor-NYT (Send to TMT)
From: Doris Cadigan
Date 5/21/04
Subject:  America on the wrong side---"A Square Deal" needed for the Palestinian people

Sir, When I saw the tragic photograph of a wounded and dead Palestinian youngster on the front page of your paper ( NYT, 5/20/04), I felt like screaming and crying like the people who carried his lifeless body. Then I saw more pictures inside of a makeshift morgue with more dead Gazans laid out--I was  absolutely horrified. This conflict is breaking my heart and it's placing America on the wrong side.

The tragic death of this innocent boy and many innocent Gazans is a terrible reminder that President Bush's endorsement of Mr. Sharon on Tuesday with, "Israel has the right to defend itself" places America on the wrong side of this conflict. I would not deny anyone the right to defend himself or herself in the face of death.  But it seems the Israeli Army's campaign "Operation Rainbow " to root out "armed terrorists" uncover "smuggling tunnels" and to widen "a buffer zone' in Gaza is terribly misleading.  In according with the 4th Geneva convention -- all military personnel and attacks in a civilian setting are to be properly conducted to separate and identify combatants from non combatants and arrest and detent prisoners--before employing fire.

From the reports I have heard and the areas where civilians were killed -- it seems the Israeli Army is in gross violation of these international standards. Five civilians were killed on their way to morning prayers at a mosque, 10 civilians were killed while protesting and a young brother and sister were shot on a rooftop taking in the family's laundry. Many more civilians were killed in questionable settings for the improper use of fire to have been employed. The doctors at the local hospital have also reported-- almost half of the dead were teenage boys. So where are the claims of "armed terrorists" and "sophisticated weapons." The weapons recovered were nothing more than a routine "nuisance" army personal have to deal with daily.

As a friends of Israel and the Palestinian people I cannot support Mr. Sharon's cruel desire to condemn many peoples homes either. Why can't the army use sensory devices to pick up air in the tunnels in peoples homes and frequently monitor them with today's technology? These demolition's are unnecessary and should shame all Israelis in light of their own tragic history. As a friend of Israel --I believe the Army's operations in Rafah do not represent good Jewish people I know -- like Iraq do not represent good Americans I know.

Mr. Sharon should do the honorable and right thing and stop these harsh measures towards the Palestinian people. In the words of another great American president--Teddy Roosevelt--Mr Sharon should give the Palestinian people "a square deal." That's the only way peace and security will be achieved for Israelis and Palestinians. When the Israeli forces pull out from the Occupied Territories and when the Gaza Strip becomes part of an independent Palestinian State. Surely, that's the proper way for this situation to be resolved ---we shouldn't be placed on the wrong side of this conflict.
It's unfair to us. I love both people and want to see them happy and safe. We should help them to
work this out as real friends .

Yours Sincerely,
Mrs. Doris Cadigan,
Natick, Massachusetts, USA 

John Kerry did what?                                                                                            

To all of you draft evaders who would designate John Kerry’s "years-ago", anti-war speeches as giving "Aid and Comfort" to the enemy: I suggest that the only thing you know about "Aid and Comfort" is that which you provide your rear-ends with as you attempt to palliate your guilt for not showing up when called upon to serve your Country. I take no great exception to your not wanting to fight. I do, however, take severe exception to your attempt to transfer your guilt for denying your Country your "Aid and Comfort" in a time of strife, to a man like John Kerry.

If it were not for the courage of men like John Kerry -both on and off the battlefield, we could have had 100,000 + killed in Viet Nam, instead of 65,000, and still had nothing to show for it, except for the unimaginable grief of those who had lost loved ones.

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that "something else" is more important than fear." To John Kerry that "something else" was our Country. Which is what John Kerry believes in most fervently: Duty, Honor, Country -In or Out of the White House. Draft evaders did not see it so.

Kerry fought in Viet Nam and saw the futility of that war. He saw the casualties mounting unabated without so much as a hint of eventual victory. He returned to speak of his disapproval of the war because he did not like what he had seen and heard, including the constant inundation of lies out of Washington and the Military about this war (sound familiar when they refer to Iraq).

John Kerry had earned the right to say what he chose to say about this most terrible and unavailing of interim wars. He had earned the right to discard the Metals and Ribbons that he alone had earned. For Kerry, they may have become reminders of times and places that he did not want to be reminded of. In any event, this was a private and personal choice that in no way was meant or intended to reflect any disrespect or contempt for his brothers in arms. If any contempt can be attributed to this act, it was for the war itself.

"Physician heal thyself." If anyone gave "Aid and Comfort" to our enemy it was those of you who evaded their Duty to Honor their Country by turning your back on it in its time of need.

By your Evasion of Service, you proclaimed your disapproval of this war, as well as a contempt for those Men and Women who were fighting it, louder and more clearly than anything John Kerry could have said. And the enemy knew it. Just as it knew that men like John Kerry, as much as they might rail against the war, would fight again if called upon.

You are the ones who let the men and women in Uniform of our Country down by not making yourselves available to sustain their ranks, support their efforts and replace the fallen. Not John Kerry. John Kerry never let this Country or his fellow Service Men and Women down or disparaged either in any way. But those of you who chose not to show up for this war, did!

If anyone is so naive as to think that the current administration is the only entity that can deal effectively with Terrorism, you are deluding yourself. John Kerry has had personal experience with terror and has dealt decidedly and victoriously with it.

We are not only fighting to eliminate Terrorism, but to re-establish our Nation’s Integrity.  And we are faltering and staggering in both areas. Make no mistake about it, John Kerry can and will see these problems resolved and our Nation’s Integrity and Prominence restored. Thru an International Guardianship against Terrorism, composed of many Nations, this malignancy of Terrorism can be defeated. When one is attacked, all will respond with resolute force. To attempt to confront this Terrorist threat alone would be to our detriment. I believe that John Kerry can forge such a most necessary alliance to the full advantage of all Nations.

If those we elect are to lead this Country with competence, they must recognize that "Change is the only constant". There have been too many miscalculations, too many mistakes made; too many lies told; too many secrets kept by too few people. We have a monumental mess on our hands, and it can’t be cleaned up by those who made it without their admitting that they made it. And this they will not do.

Consequently, Harry T’s "Buck" continues to float endlessly thru the corridors of the White House unclaimed and unacknowledged.

Do you want an ever-smiling "Cheerleader" who has always managed to remain on the sidelines, and keep himself out of the fray? Or do you want a man who knows how to "Quarterback" a winning Team?

A "Change" in the leadership and a new face for this Country in November is not only needed, it is critically essential for our continuance as a recognized Leader in our world society.

Vote for John Kerry in November and you will learn what Duty, Honor and Our Country are all about.

Thomas O. Nass,

5th Marine Division - WWII
Sacramento, CA
 

I just pray you are not breeding.
 

Yes, something is REALLY wrong, and it is the outrageously traitorous hate and venom your paper spews.  I'm sure the terrorist just love reading your garbage.  You wouldn't know an honest man if he saved your miserable life. You should hang your head in shame.  Our President is a fine man and the greater part of the American people know it.  You, Sen. Kennedy, Walter Cronkite and all of the other misguided pathetic liberal democrats who don't give a wit about this country but only the power they could wield were they
in charge. It is amazing that you people would do anything, say anything and print anything to that end.  You accuse President Bush and the people you oppose of doing the very things that you yourselves are guilty of, AND, you do it with a straight face. You are such hypocrites. You are no better than the scum that are at the very heart of the miseries of this world, and CONTROL and oppression is all that matters to you.

I just pray you are not breeding.

Pat Rapaduski

"Allowing others to be who they are frees you to be yourself"

VOTE BUSH/CHENEY '04

 

Progress in Iraq (5/1/04)
 

(This is from a National Guardsman from Denison, Iowa - back on
leave)

As I head off to Baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in Iraq, I
wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not believe the media.
They have done a very poor job of covering everything that has
happened. I am sorry that I have not been able to visit all of you
during my two week leave back home. And just so you can rest at
night knowing something is happening in Iraq that is noteworthy, I
thought I would pass this on to you. This is the list of things that
has happened in Iraq recently: (Please share it with your friends and
compare it to the version that your paper is producing)!!

-Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time
ever in Iraq. 
-Over 400,000 kids have up to date immunizations.
-Over 1500 schools have been renovated and ridded of the weapons that were stored there so education can occur. 
-The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off loaded from ships faster. 
-School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.  
-The country had it's first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August. 
-The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before
the war.
-100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed compared to 35%
before the war.  
-Elections are taking place in every major city and city councils are
in place.
-Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.  
-Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.  
-Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
-Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side
with US soldiers.  
-Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever. 
-Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to
prevent the spread of germs.  
-An interim constitution has been signed. 
-Girls are allowed to attend school for the first time ever in Iraq. 
-Text books that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the
first time in 30 years.

Don't believe for one second that these people do not want us there.
I have met many many people from Iraq that want us there and in a bad way. They say they will never see the freedoms we talk about but they hope their children will. We are doing a good job in Iraq and I challenge anyone, anywhere to dispute me on these facts.

So If you happen to run into John Kerry, be sure to give him my email address and send him to Denison, Iowa. This soldier will set him straight. If you are like me and very disgusted with how this period of rebuilding has been portrayed, email this to a friend and let them know there are good things happening.

Ray Reynolds, SFC
Iowa Army National Guard
234th Signal Battalion


Tackling the President (4/28/04)

 

The reactions on President Bush and his National Security Advisor , Miss Rice  be it pro or contra, together with the quite disgusting Democrat election campaign are indeed a reason to worry. For the safety of the US President as well as the security of the United States. Presuming oneself to be president in September 2001 and without the present knowledge, how would one have reacted on that collapsing Twin Towers? We could also ask ourselves: Would we have done any better than G.W. Bush. And that gives reason to a whole row of other questions:

1: The Patriot act: Would it have been acceptable to the US population had this law passed before the 11th of September and only based on the intelligence reports that are now used to accuse the President of having ignored that reports?

2: There was hardly any protest during the attack on Afghanistan Why did all this anti US and anti war protest started first world wide after the attack on Iraq? Maybe because the events of the 11th of September were too ‘fresh’ in memory during the attack on Afghanistan? Does this mean that the US only may act immediately after a terrorist attack on the US or US interests?

3: Trusting the NATO Allies in Europe and counting on their loyalty was probably the Presidents worst supposition. Was no historian or high ranking US military man , who served in Europe, available to tell the President or his National Security Advisor, Miss Rice, that especially the French would not be loyal to the US?   And would someone in the US believe that this nation actually would not be loyal to the US?

4: The President declared War on Terrorism. In view of the fact that ALL Muslims in the world are called at different times to a JIHAD against the US. This call for a Jihad concerns also Muslims in the US. Does the President of the US allow his compatriots to live with a ticking time bomb in their midst?

5: The decision making process of the President and his staff has been almost permanently under fire. Especially from the side of the Democrats and, of course, the rest of the anti US world. Including France and his political pet Belgium? Yes indeed! The loudspeaker may be in Brussels, but the microphone stands in Paris.

-         Had all this people access to the same information as the President?

-         Would all this people together have one (and the right) solution for the problems the President was, and is, facing?

-         Were and are they all bearing the same responsibility as G.W. Bush does?

6: WMD or not, the US offered the people an opportunity to become a democratic nation WITHOUT Saddam. 

-         Could G.W. Bush expect to liberate a country of normal thinking and reasonable people or not?

-         Could he expect the population of Iraq to be cooperative and willing to reach that democratic establishment?

-         Could he expect the ‘normal’ population to behave as normal and socialized citizen or not? Indeed. He could. But from the beginning after their liberation the population behaved as street robbers, youth gangs, thieves and murderers. G.W. Bush  obviously took his lessons from the liberation of Europe in 1945 and he was right with that. He could have expected cooperation and a rather quick handover of authority to a democratic Iraqi government and temporary under the secure wings of the US forces. The fact that the population of Iraq turned out to be totally a-social to their own kind as well is something no one could have expected. That so many Americans die by now is only reason to regret the decision to put any effort in rebuilding Iraq and offer them a new future

7: Weapons of Mass Destruction. The anti US coalition of jolly good old allies like that words. They sip it like wine, chew on it and sniff the odor of it. The words turn in theirs mouth’s into the venom they spit in the direction of the US government.

-         Was there no reason for the US to have a closer look at the kitchen of Saddam?

-         Had there not been a nuclear program in Iraq?

-         Was there no minister in the Saddam government who was called ‘chemical Ali’?

-         Have not thousands of Kurds been killed by means of chemical weapons?

-         Was there not a Pakistani scientist who spied in the nuclear installation in Petten, The Netherlands, thus violating the generous hospitality rules of the Dutch and has he not admitted that he sold nuclear knowledge to different Islam countries to enable them to build an Islamic nuclear bomb? Was him not given pardon by that famous US ally Musjaraf of Pakistan?.

-         Why starting a war in Iraq to get some answers if that answers also can be obtained by that famous European allies like France and Germany? The first one sold Saddam a complete nuclear reactor, together with the knowledge to use it (till the Israeli’s decided that every practical joke has its limitations and bombed the thing to scrap) and the latter had that fantastic chemical factories of which the director was glad to make a buck by selling his products to Iraq. But were that nice governments willing to submit their knowledge to the US? Of course not. Not even if they could stop the US from going to war. There were WMD in Iraq and in view of the threat, direct or indirect, to the US, no President of the US could have avoided a closer look at the kitchen of Saddam. He had to.

8: The US is the only nation that supports Israel. Even if the relations with the total of all Muslim countries and Europe are at stake.

-         How comfortable would South Korea, Japan and Taiwan be if the US took their hands from Israel?

-         How comfortable would many other countries be if the US withdrew its forces and left that countries to defend their own business?

-         I seem to remember that the governments of the European countries during the period of the Third Reich did not put very much effort in the protection of the Jews.

-         The support for Israel has since 1948 faded away and the less support Israel got, the more brutal became the Palestinians. Israel was more or less blamed for the terrorist attacks in Europe and the many hijackings because they did not give in on the Palestinian claims. Israel was left on his own and had to fight several wars to survive. They won that wars. And why should a county that wins his wars and conquers territory does not keep it. Is that not common business? Or does Russia give the Germans their Koningsbergen (Kaliningrad) back? And Belgium his German speaking part of the province of Liege? And Poland half of its territory to the Germans? Or Belorussia half of its territory to Poland. And France not the Flemish part of Flanders, they conquered by means of their last king, to Belgium. Of course not. It is all war booty. So why should Israel give back parts of its war booty. And with the experience of the holocaust. Why should the Jews trust anybody with their safety? Did not all Jihad, Hamas and Hezbollah leaders declare that the state of Israel has to be destroyed? Many US presidents have tried to solve the problem and no one succeeded. But G.W. Bush is the first president who clearly stays right behind Israel. Even with the execution of terrorists. The population of the US should be grateful that there is at least one American for who a handshake is a handshake. And that Koreans, Taiwanese and the population of the Land of the Rising Fireballs may be grateful as well.  

9: In the Netherlands was some years ago a man who stood up against giving away the Netherlands, its marvelous social security system, its language and the abuse of the hospitality of the Dutch to anyone who reached Dutch soil.. He became a politician and after a rather short time was a threat to the regular political parties. The reaction from their side was one of anger, insult, accusation of being an ultra |right and finally a member of that always anti US socialist party, in fact the second man in the labor party after PM Kok, created a situation via the public media in which it seemed to be justified from the moral point of view to kill that man. His name was Pim Fortuyn. He WAS killed. The same situation is by now created in the United States. American as well as European public media condemn the Bush policy, are insulting him and his staff up to the point of ridicule, critize every decision and generally are creating a situation is which it is justified, from the moral point of view, to kill him. Is it not time that this media in the US stop imitating the European public media and have a closer look at what is good for the US. If that is not a new Bush administration. OK. But then they should give as much attention to the alternatives as now putting all efforts in reducing the moral authority of their own President in this times of peril. Interesting to know is that, after Pim Fortuyn was killed, that nice member of the Labor Party and anti American politician considered his comfortable seat in the left-wing establishment a bit to hot for his buttocks and flew The Netherlands to . . . . . .yes, that by him loathed United States of America. A good socialist would consider to go back to the roots of the party and pick up a job as street sweeper or similar. Not this fine socialist. A well paid job at the World Bank as representative of The Netherlands is more lucrative. Would he ever thinks about Pim Fortuyn?

 

As I mentioned before, the worst, but also the most forgivable proposition of G.W. Bush was trusting the European Allies. Had the whole of the western world, possessing the same moral values and, then again, the Europeans as a united political entity with the French ahead, chosen the side of the United States (and I do NOT say the side of G.W. Bush), the message to the Muslim world would have been clear. But not only the President of the US was let down by the Europeans under guidance of Chirac, but also the whole of the population of the US.

Even if a friendship is under tension due to different points of view, an unconditional friend grabs his weapons and runs to assistance when things go wrong, irrespective of the outcome of the fight. And things GO wrong. But Chirac, a man who only had the opportunity to grow up in a free France ( by the mercy of the many young US GIs who rest under the many tombstones in the many war cemeteries in France)  failes that as well.

 

The US is an independent country, possesses the most powerful military organization in the world and is capable of defending its interests, territory and integrity as a political entity in every sense and, if necessary, against the whole world.

To defend their values, and only that, a war is fully justified.

Again, we might wonder how any other US President would have reacted. Although this is a personal consideration, I believe that the US should be glad that G.W. Bush was president when the Twin Towers collapsed. A democrat of the Carter type, however honest, would mentally have been too complicated to react properly. G.W. Bush has had the toughest experience a US President can imagine. It would be foolish  to turn in his acquired experience, in this times of peril, for the yet unknown political qualifications, and unknown strength of backbone of any other candidate, be it republican or democrat. He only has to learn one more thing: Turn the Jordan over the heads of his so-called allies.

 

C. Brouwer

Ret. WO1 RNLA

Praying for our troops
By Ayodele Thomas

I just wanted to take a moment to voice my support of our troops who are risking their lives on my behalf, although I do not support the Bush administration in its decision to declare war. Too often, discussions of war and peace become polarized into anti-war vs. pro-troop, but that narrow view doesn't capture the feelings of most Americans who are against the war. I appreciate our troops so much that I would rather them be home  than fighting a war that I do not see as just or immediately necessary. The Bush administration has tried to make it seem as though this is a good war and that God is on the American side. However, as Jimmy Carter stated in his Nobel acceptance speech, "War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always an evil, never a good. We will not learn to live together in peace by killing each other's children."

I pray daily for all of those who are touched directly and indirectly by the war. I pray that our soldiers will be able to return home - alive. I pray for families who have been torn apart and for Americans who seem to have forgotten that it is OK to disagree. I pray for the citizens of Iraq and yes, even their soldiers.

I believe that my God is not just the God of the United States - he is the God of the world. He does not just love those who claim citizenship in these United States, He loves all of humanity. We should not just be saying "God Bless America" nor should we assume that God is happy with our nation's current actions or our lack of action in the past. Many of the reasons for which our nation's leaders claim we are going to war today are problems that we helped to create by supporting evil dictators to meet our purposes or by ignoring them because they were not strategically important. I believe that God would want us to act on the side of justice and peace, whether or not it is convenient or strategic for us.

I ask that all of those who believe in the redeeming power of prayer, whether you agree with the decision to go to war or not, would join me in prayer not just for America, but for our world.


Consequences of Democracy

We should stop throwing stones at Bush. The truth is, more Americans want war than oppose it. Bush reflects the majority, despite the massive protests. The UK is different. Blair opposes 80% of his people. The attitude of people toward democracy is troubling. The electorate is responsible for the actions of their government whether or not they voted. No one in a democracy can call himself or herself an innocent civilian should they suffer as a result of their government’s actions. However in a dictatorship, people who oppose the government cannot change it by any means and are the real innocent civilians. To those who say that the US must kill the dictator, I ask if the US will attack China next, the world’s greatest violator of human rights?  

We need independence from foreign energy. However it won’t happen unless it is made a national priority like the space race. IEEE reported the permanent loss of 100,000 electronic and nearly 3 times as many other engineering jobs in the US last year. We need a leader with FDR’s vision, to put these unemployed engineers to work and solve the energy issue. This would be a long-term investment and cheaper than the massive spending on weapons of mass destruction and even “Mothers of All Bombs”!!!. 

One reason for rise in anti-Bushism around the world (not necessarily anti-Americanism) is that Washington’s negotiating style mirrors that of Tel Aviv. Such a style is not disastrous to the stronger party, when the weaker party is as weak as the Palestinians. When the weaker party is like North Korea (if I recall history, they hurt the US pretty bad, many years ago!!!) this style won’t work. Israel wants it that way and the world sees the result. Israel is willing to live with the consequences. Are we?

Ed D'Silva


A Message From Canada - Stand Up and Oppose that which Americans Believe In.

There comes a time in everyone's life when he should stand up and and be counted. I do not think that a country such as the United States Of America should listen to the rest of the world as to the Iraqi question. Your Country cannot be pressured by fear as Kuwait cannot be influenced by hunger, as Korea cannot be bribed like Spain or bought as Turkey. You as Americans are perfectly capable of making the decision for or against the war in Iraq .As a Canadian who is totally against the war with Iraq or any other country I trust the people of the U.S. to make the right decision. Your country is full of courageous people that are not afraid to stand up and oppose that which they believe in. Your government is by the people, for the people, and of the people. You are not a focus group you are the people. The United States Of America is the home of the brave and the land of the free, let your voice be heard. IN GOD WE TRUST

Tim Barnes


See special Article from Rita Kidd "A Voice From America" in Response to Byrd Speech


Byrd - We Not Follow Mutely Behind

Finally a politician with the guts to come out against the war. Hurrah for Senator Byrd. During the Iraq war protest march on February 15th, Canadians marched in the tens of thousands against such a war. Americans visiting our city, Vancouver, B.C, interviewed for our local news cast, were so careful in their comments so as not to appear "anti-American".

The American pro-war populace is scaring the pants off those of us north of the border. And we can't help but feel that should we not follow mutely behind, we will be the next target, for god-knows-what reason the Bush administration might dream up.

Karin
Canada
February 18, 2003


Byrd - Trying to Make a Difference.

If you would please pass on my praise to Senator Byrd I would
appreciate it.

I read the speech you gave on February 12 and was blown away.  I was
moved to rage on numerous occasions, which I'm sure was the point, and
was relieved that there was someone out there who is paying attention,
more specifically someone in a position of power.  I was very
disappointed that there was no media coverage on it, that alone says a
great deal about the world in which we live.  But thank you for
speaking those words and at least trying to make a difference.

Hilary
Los Angeles
February 17, 2003


Kennedy Urges Senate to Reconsider Bush War Authority

Ask Your Senator to Reclaim Senate Responsibility

 The après State-of-the-Union comments were interrupted with breaking news: Sen. Ted Kennedy had just announced that the next day he would go to the Senate floor to ask his colleagues to vote to reclaim their right to give permission for war.

If we are to stand as a beacon of hope and democracy, then we must honor our own democratic institutions and Constitution. Being a U S Senator includes accepting the responsibility for declaring war.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if all Senators were showered with requests from their own constituents to vote with Kennedy on this? You can help make that happen.  

We all saw the overwhelming standing applause from both sides of the aisle on the war half of President Bush’s speech.  A debate in the Senate would not likely stop the war. But it would force our Senators to be accountable. It would restore our Constitutional protection against waging war without representation.

Please contact your own two Senators TODAY. Ask them to vote for Sen. Kennedy’s motion. You can find their contact information on the Senate web-site. You can find the contact information here: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm or you can follow the news link menu on the left side of The Modern Tribune homepage.

Please send an email to your friends and family asking them to do the same. Be an example of the courage you wish your Senators would display.  

It’s not too late – yet.

Pennington Geis
January 29, 2003


Countries Get their Legitimacy and Power from the Will of the People and the Action they take is Ultimately in their Citizens' Names.

I am writing to supply you with another argument for your position in the Modern Tribune.  As a criminologist, I find the words coming out of Bush's mouth regarding the responsibilities of Iraq amazing, particularly since he claims to want to protect our civil liberties.  If he really wants to protect civil
liberties and show the American belief in human rights that he claims he has as
a "compassionate" conservative, then he should remember how our criminal
justice system works.  The burden to prove whether someone is guilty or not is
not on the defense, but on the prosecution.  The whole world knows that Saddam Hussein is a maniacal dictator, but there are others "worse" than him.  In light of our criminal justice system, which Bush says is the best in the world,
then I believe that the burden rest with the U.S. to show that Iraq does have
WMD and is planning to use them soon. 

Another advantage of American criminal justice is that we have "discovery" so
both sides can see the incriminating and exculpatory evidence. We also have a
judge or jury who decides the fate of those individuals who opt to go to trial.
While I would not advocate revealing to Iraq what information we supposedly
have, I do believe that our allies in the UN must be given concrete information
that is current, not about what he did 15 to 20 years ago.  They operate like a
jury and decide the fate of Iraq and whether they should commit their nations
to war.  How dare Bush and his administration bad mouth Russia, France,
Germany, and so on, for not taking him at his word.  After all, he did steal
the presidency, and has yet to live up to his promises to the American people.
The Bush administration says it has irrefutable proof, well I have yet to see
it.  DNA is irrefutable proof and attorneys can't wait to use it. If Bush's
information was so clear cut, he would have laid out his evidence in depth to
our allies in the UN.  Unlike Bush and Blair, other countries recognize that
they get their legitimacy and power from the will of the people and that any
action they take is ultimately in their citizens' names.  Therefore, they
listen to their concerns without telling them how "unpatriotic" they are in an
attempt to obtain their conformity. Apparently, Bush lives in a different
dimension.

Melissa A. Logue
January 30, 2003


Ultimately Unsustainable and Self-defeating

"A policy that sets the U.S. above and apart from the rules that other states are expected to follow is ultimately unsustainable and self-defeating," said Daryl G. Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association, Washington D.C. "Perpetuating U.S. reliance on nuclear weapons as a key component of protecting U.S. security will only make the acquisition of nuclear weapons more attractive to others, not less."

Jeremy


The Wrong Prescription


Finally, the elderly receive a prescription drug plan from the government!  Unfortunately, it is the wrong prescription. The Bush administration's drug prescription plan is not exactly what the doctor ordered. It would force many of the elderly out of the Medicare system and into private HMOs to receive drug prescription benefits. The Medicare system has been the backbone of health care for the elderly since the sixties. Unfortunately, it is not without its' faults. Over the years, many seniors and their advocates have lobbied for adequate prescription drug benefits. As Senator Kennedy recently noted, at a Harvard University forum, ""Medicare is a solemn promise between the government and the people, not just a potential profit center for HMOs and the Insurance industry." Previously, the private sector failed to demonstrate it could meet the chronic needs of elderly. "That why we got Medicare," added Kennedy. Recently, many seniors were left high and dry when private companies fled the regions -- complaining that "the costs of covering the elderly were just too high."  Ari Fleischer said the president, "believes that seniors should have more choices and options in the health care plans." John Rother, Director of Policy and Strategy for AARP, believes "...there needs to be a drug benefit for everyone regardless of which part of the system they're in..." At a time, when the elderly need special attention with their health care needs, Bush hands them the wrong prescription
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Doris C
January 28, 2003


A Forgotten warrior of A forgotten war.

I often wonder how many of those calling for war have  ever themselves participated in one? How many of them have witnessed babies, crawling amongst dismembered bodies, searching for their parents? How many have smelled decaying bodies? How many have charged through a town, or village after it had been bombed continuously for days on end? How many of them still suffer from nightmares, from memories of war incidences that happen years ago?

I leave them with this... its mostly civilians that's killed in wars... Soldiers can take care of themselves. We have our trenches, foxholes, tunnels and underground bunkers.

And if I may refresh their memories for a moment, Bush Sr, bombed Iraqi 40 days during his war of 1991, and guess what, Saddam still lives. But many innocent women, children, mothers, and seniors died... What about them? Do they count?

Curtis
A Forgotten warrior.
of A forgotten war.


Our President is Getting Bad Advice

Count me and everyone I know as against war with Iraq.  Our president is
getting bad advice on this and many other issues.

Susan


Support for Our Country's Leaders and Less Criticism

My name is Christina. IM in middle school. I have a problem...... see IM reading the news and I see many people opposing the president. You know, kinda knocking him down. I feel its OK to disagree. But to much opposition, and we got a big problem. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion but news papers as a whole should support the decisions that our president makes. They shouldn't automatically bash him because he's a Republican.

Not many people in this country have been the president. And as we all know the presidents job isn't that easy. And the one thing he really needs right now is support. Its hard to head a whole country. All IM asking is to see more support for our country's leaders and less criticism.

 Thank you and may God continue to bless America!

Chrissy               

 


The Washington Protest--The Consequences

What are the consequences of the Washington Protest? Here are a few-- many more cartoonists portray Bush "going it alone."  In Washington, the administration has doubled its' efforts to sway public opinion. The State department has released a document (33 pages long) entitled "Apparatus of lies" to reinforce Iraq's "brutal record of deceit." From Turkey, party leaders said that US should heed the peace call. Recap Tayyip Erdogan, Head of the Justice and Development party praised the peacemaking efforts and noted, "The world's decision makers must heed this rising call for peace." As the Peace Movement efforts in the US strengthen-- Bush's ratings are slipping into the low fifties. The Washington Protest may well indeed prove to be the tip of another ICEBERG --and George Bush's own "serious consequences". Many Thanks,

Doris


Real Primary Focus is the Degradation and Division of the Country

It appears that your real primary focus is the degradation and division of the country which allows you to publish this deception.  I hope and pray that those of us who recognize the immense value of this country prevail in our efforts to protect it.  Much of the blame for incidents like 9/11 rests squarely on the shoulders of cowards and traitors who are constantly working to undo America.  This is the only purpose that you can have when spreading material such as what I have read here.

Gregory

Response by The Modern Tribune

I believe we live in the greatest nation on earth and that it is our duty as Americans to uphold the noble ideals that made us so great. I believe that we breach our personal duty as citizens when we fail to be informed and to speak out against that with which we disagree. Facts - not mere accusation - must always be our guiding light. Truth and justice must be our goal. Revealing truth or expressing opinion should never be confused with lack of patriotism or cowardice. In fact, those of us who do express their opinions are subject to adverse consequences.

We do not protect America or its future generations by exposing it to greater threat and creating enemies we would not already have. Bombing other countries does nothing to stop terrorism - the real enemy. It adds fuel to their fire and bolsters the argument that the US wants to dominant the world, control a major oil supply, and change their way of life forcibly.

The primary cause of 9/11 was a radical extremist element that hates American because of United States policy in the mid-East (and some argue, because of our way of life.)   It is also the result of a lax US security which apparently did not recognize the extent of the terrorist threat on our homeland. I do no recall any real or strong opposition to any war since Vietnam. This war on Iraq - since Saddam is not a security threat and it takes places amid a tense mid-East setting - where oil "could" be the true aim, requires scrutiny. 

Would you support the war if the sole reason was to get oil? How many American lives are a barrel of oil worth? Would you support the war if it were part a strategy to take over the world? The war on Iraq is not necessary to protect American. and  the billions to be spent of bombing would be better spent securing America.

Do you really believe that those who oppose this war on Iraq do not support American? We are trying to keep American on the course that made American great - its ideals, it's constitution, it's process of governance, the Bill of Rights, and the freedom many have died for. We do not want America to change what it stands for and become the bully of the world because it has the might to do so.

D. Lindley Young
Editor
THE MODERN TRIBUNE
editor@themoderntribune

Gregory's Reply to Modern Tribune

Gregory has set forth each point made by the Modern Tribune and has responded to each. The point made by the Modern is not indented. Gregory's reply to each point is indented. He makes some interesting points. See our reply following Gregory's position.

 I believe we live in the greatest nation on earth and that it is our
 duty as Americans to uphold the noble ideals that made us so great.

            We agree on principle here.  I suspect we disagree as to method.
 I think it is our duty to protect other, weaker peoples, too.
 If that makes us the world's policemen, so be it.

 I believe that we breach our personal duty as citizens when we fail to
 be informed and to speak out against that with which we disagree.

 Again, a truism.  However, it is the height of arrogance to assume
 we can even approach the level of information supplied to our
 country's top officials (and especially the President).  When you
 play armchair quarterback in this situation, you are playing without
 all the facts.  I suggest that your definition of being informed
 is based on your collection of the opinions of persons with whom you
 agree.
 
 I believe we also must act in defiance of wrongs and that with which
 we disagree.  I disagree with terrorism.  I disagree with Saddam's
 support of terrorism, efforts in building towards agression, efforts
 in bio and nuclear weapons.  The big difference here is that we go
 on the offensive to stop Saddam and others like him, not to take over
 neighboring countries.  Germany belongs to the Germans.  Japan    belongs  to the Japanese.  Iraq should belong to the Iraquis.  None of   us  should live in fear of the likes of Hitler, Hirohito, or Hussein.

 Facts - not mere accusation - must always be our guiding light. Truth
 and justice must be our goal.

 Laudible words, an excellent example of using a "given" to lend
 credibility to your point.  But here again, you do not have the
 facts.  Most of the facts governing this situation are not
 available to us.
 
 Incidentally, there are some professors in Madison, Wisconsin who
 teach your method of argumentation.  They are also self-avowed
 communists, and base their grading on your politics, not on the
 quality of your writing. 

 Revealing truth or expressing opinion should never be confused with lack
 of patriotism or cowardice.

 Am I to infer that there are no instances of lack of patriotism?
 Is there no cowardice?
  
 If you blame America first, you are not a patriot.  Period.  I wish
 Americans would all subscribe to the attitude, "My country, right or
 wrong.  When it's right - to keep it right.  When it's wrong - to make
 it right."
 
 I am not a bad person simply because I believe that some people are
 un-patriotic.  I believe that patriotism is good and cowardice is
 bad.  I believe that sometimes there is no "gray area".  Truth is
 like that.  And truth needs to be clearly differentiated from opinion.

 In fact, those of us who do express their opinions are subject to
 adverse consequences.

 You lost me on this one.  I believe that you get to express your
 opinions in my country.  I believe that you should not express your
 opinions as factual.  I also believe that facts can be hard to come by.
 
 If someone smites me because he does not like my opinion, that's the
 way the pickle squirts in the big city, baby.  I have the freedom to
 smite him back if I can handle it.

 We do not protect America or its future generations by exposing it to
 greater threat and creating enemies we would not already have.

 I do not believe we are doing so.  Iraq is an enemy.  Those who
 have used religion as an excuse to murder (as opposed to 'kill')
 are our enemies.  Those who adopt non-democratic principles to
 the detriment and discomfort of their populaces are enemies of
 democracy and by extension, are our enemies.

 Bombing other countries does nothing to stop terrorism - the real
 enemy. It adds fuel to their fire and bolsters the argument that the
 US wants to dominant the world, control a major oil supply, and
 change their way of life forcibly.

 This is simply a reiteration of the old leftist anti-American
 mantra.  I would have more respect for your arguments if you just
 admitted that you despise anything right-wing and cling lovingly
 to all things left-wing.  Just admit you hate GW.  I will admit
 I think he is pretty good - mostly.
 
 Bombing is one instrument that has been used to save many more
 lives than it took.  (you gave your opinion, this is mine)  I would
 direct your attention to Germany, 1944.  We blew them into               submission.
 Even though there were anti-war people then, too, it was the right thing
 to do in the big theatre.  Bombing got the attention of the radical
 rulers of Japan, too.  The war ended.  Many more lives were saved
 on all sides. 
 
The real enemies are the individuals who choose to perpetrate terrorism.  Terrorism itself is a concept.  The people are the enemies.  As for the  other points you make, they are just your opinions, not facts.  You are  free to suspect these motives, but that does not make them true.

 The primary cause of 9/11 was a radical extremist element that hates
 American because of United States policy in the mid-East.

 If that is true, and I suspect it is, why are you basing your
 arguments on doctrine that is in lock-step with these radicals?
 And further, am I to infer that you are excusing their actions
 because of some "justifiable" difference of opinion with American
 policy?  They get to blow up the WTC towers because they don't like
 our policy, but we shouldn't strike them for ACTING against us?
 I don't think you can say this and love America simultaneously.

 It is also the result of a lax US security which apparently did not
 recognize the extent of the terrorist threat on our homeland.

 Right on!  And let's remember who emasculated those departments
 responsible for our security.  I believe that it is a dirty game
 "out there", and when you play in a dirty game with no rules,
 playing a clean game and following some "rules" will get you beaten. 
 (Look at the British forces wearing bright colors and marching in
 formation against the American Colonialist Revolutionaries who were
 hiding behind trees and rocks, .wearing dull colors.  Who got whipped?)

 I do no recall any real or strong opposition to any war since Vietnam.

Where were you when the Gulf War started?  The news media, especially   on television, railed against that action until they figured out that  a huge majority of the American public was supportive.  The media's tune  changed almost overnight.  (Pretty good evidence that the news media is probably not the best source of data in our efforts to be "informed".)
 
 This war on Iraq - since Saddam is not a security threat and it takes
 places amid a tense mid-East setting - where oil could be the true aim,
 requires scrutiny.
 
 Careful, you are calling opinion "fact" here.  Do you really believe
 Saddam is not a threat?  We are fighting a war against terrorists AND
 anyone who supports, aids or protects terrorists.  I believe Saddam to
 be one of the key players.  Even all of the evidence we are privy to
 points in that direction.

 Would you support the war if the sole reason was to get oil?

 Irrelevant question since it is not based on facts.  I believe that oil
 figures into the equation.  I also believe that there is no sin in that,
 since a lot of our chosen lifestyle is based on many natural resources,
 among which are oil.  It is in America's best interests to see oil not
 controlled by the likes of Saddam.  I support things that are in our
 best interests.
 
 The question is irrelevant, but I will play your game here.  No.  If it
 were the only reason, what moron would support the war?  But as I said
 it is, in fact, only one of a great many variables in the equation.

 How many American lives are a barrel of oil worth?

 How many human lives was the horror of 9/11 worth?  This question and  the one following show that you are letting your emotion get away with  you.  Or else you are one of the elite framers of all this anti-American  rhetoric.  Even if these are rhetorical questions, they are a shameful  obfuscation of the argument.  You started out so well, too!

 Would you support the war if it were part a strategy to take over the world?

 Do you really believe that those who oppose this war on Iraq do not
 support American?
 
 I believe that many of the opposition to the war do not support America. I watched, for example, a bit of the coverage of the marches on D.C.  The individuals I saw and the comments I heard were a playback of a   bunch of drug-fogged non-gainfully employed individuals contributing    nothing toward the betterment of society, reminiscent of the late 60's.  I believed then (at 17 and 18) as I do now.  And my beliefs now are   supported by a lot of years in the Real World watching what is really  "going down."

We are trying to keep American on the course that made American great -   its ideals, it's constitution, it's process of governance, the Bill of  Rights, and the freedom many have died for

You should add Mom and Apple Pie to your method here.  I am
picking on your dialectic again.   ;-)

 We do not want America to change what it stands for and become the
 bully of the world because it has the might to do so.

 I do want America to stand up to other bullies in the world because
 it is the right thing to do.  And we have the might to do so.
 
 Please point to any factual inaccuracies. We gladly correct them.
 Also, see www.themaoderntribune.com "Letters  to Editor."
 We posted your email and a response.
 
 When you start using facts, if I find what I believe to be inaccuracies,
 I will take you up on your kind offer.
 
Thank you for your time and attention.  I appreciate the forum you have
here.
 
Gregory

Answer to Gregory's Reply

The Modern Tribune is an clearly an "opinion" magazine. We form the opinions based upon available facts and must discern for ourselves, as you do, which facts we believe in a world where it is at best difficult in many cases to determine what is the truth. Yes, we, as anyone, tend to believe more readily that which our instinct and experience supports.

The Modern Tribune is clearly and openly opposed to Bush's approach to the War on Iraq and our biggest pick is his unnecessary and provocative rhetoric which we believe is doing more harm than good. For example, calling Korean President Li a "pygmy," defining the enemy as "evil" (with religious connotations), announcing "nuclear" hit lists and a policy of pre-emptive "nuclear" attacks cannot not be productive in a war on terrorism which requires multi-national cooperation. I believe that these are "facts" which are not disputed. Yes, opinion comes into play when one disagrees with the necessity for such rhetoric under circumstances which makes an already volatile world more dangerous. The Bush rhetoric has painted US into a dangerous corner with the EU, Russia, China, Germany, France, and many others aligning against the Bush extremes, his hawkish administration (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Pearl, Rove, and Rice). There is a better way and it is up to US to find it.  

The Modern Tribune strongly supports the war on terrorism and a strong "Defend America" policy. America as a country, the American people,  and the idea of America is "first - always." However,  Presidents, politicians, and us everyday people do not always make decisions that are in the best interests of America and the world. Many decisions have political motive. History is replete with the blunders of nations, their military, and their leaders with political motive at its root.

You, in effect ask us to trust Bush because he has information that we do not have. Well from what I have seen according to reports to Congress by Mueller, the CIA does not have it either and neither do our Congressional leaders. President Johnson and the Congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin resolution based upon false information, and the result was a lengthy Vietnam war that cost tens of thousand of American lives. Although military secrets that could cost American lives should be carefully guarded, the  general reasons for war should not. The public has the right to know them. I believe that those "general reasons" have been presented - at least they have been argued by Bush to this nation and to the United Nations. Based upon what Bush himself has argued, there is not sufficient "evidence" to justify a reasonable belief that there is an "imminent threat" to the US by Iraq sufficient to justify a military takeover of Iraq with unforeseen and unpredictable consequences. "Threat" alone is not sufficient under our Constitution. There are millions of potential threats.  The argument that Bush knows things that we do not know and that we should just trust him is simply untenable in view of the high stakes in a representative democracy.  If you are correct that we are uninformed, then Bush is not doing his job or the American people are being lead into a war without sufficient information to form a proper opinion.

The difference between bombing Germany or Japan to as you argue to save lives (which it probably did) and that of bombing Iraq now, is that Germany and Japan were aggressor "nations", who actually attacked US (Pearl Harbor) or were invading allies. There is no evidence that Iraq comes anywhere close to that type of "imminent" present threat. There is no evidence to tie Iraq to 9/11.

Containment and alternatives to military force brought down the USSR. Gandhi freed India from British rule without firing a shot. Martin Luther King change the racial politics of America with non-violence. We must contain the enemy, fight terrorism, protect our borders and homeland, and be patient enough to let the strength of right overcome that which is wrong. The idea of democracy, glasnost, perestroika, and dente lead to the fall of the USSR, not military attack.

Iraq is contained. We are going through Saddam's underwear. Yes, he is a liar and playing games. Yes, he is a ruthless dictator. Yes, he probably has WMD.  Although Bush asserts that Saddam poses a "serious threat" to America, it has been 11 years since Iraq can be called an aggressor - the invasion of Kuwait - and that aggression may have been based, at least in part, on an American eye wink from the US Ambassador to Iraq - April Gaspie. There is a strong case that Saddam will not use WMD except for his very survival. He does not appear to be suicidal. When warned by Collin Powell, during the Gulf War, that there would be severe consequences if Saddam used WMD, Saddam did not use them although he was being overwhelmingly defeated. Saddam may be a ruthless dictator, but, Saddam does not appear to want to die or loose his power. Suicidal people do not normally build monuments to themselves. The US should not make an alleged maniac a martyr.

The war on Iraq is not reasonable, especially without substantial multi-national approval.  Conjecture and speculation as to what Saddam may do at some time in the future should not be enough sacrifice the lives of hundreds of thousands of "people," create a negative global economic impact (if not recession),  cause the alienation of allies and potential allies in the war on terrorism, and create additional hatred towards America across the world. We may have assume the role of the worlds policeman because of our might, but, that role should not be unilaterally imposed.


I’m a Houstonian and I haven’t talked with anyone – not one person - who believes we should go to war with Iraq at this time.  There is no justification at this time.  The United States is insane for building up the current levels of troops based on the information we have available to us.  If this were really about weapons of mass destruction, why would France so openly oppose our course of action?

Bush Motives:

  1. A good number think Bush’s motives are about “controlling oil”
  2. Many believe the motive is an “obsessive resentment”.
  3. Most think it is about a strong desire for power in order to control the behavior of others - countries and their people.

David


Just discovered your site while searching re Howard Dean - who I think is our best hope for 2004!  I really like your coverage and will pass it on to friends.

Nina

Response by The Modern Tribune

I am hopeful that John Kerry, Howard Dean or someone will surface with a strong anti-war strategy that involves a multi-national approach to protecting America and the world. There are to many "me to" candidates on the Bush approach to war  which do not stand out from the pack nor differentiate the Democratic Party. I believe in a strong "Defend America First" approach, but, creating additional enemies and hatred towards America makes the situation worse. We all need to be proactive with our beliefs in order to cause change. If Bush is reelected (and has not yet destroyed the world) it would signal the world that there is approval of Bush's new approach of threats, name calling, pre-emptive nuclear attack, and the "new" race for nuclear weapons. This is not good. Bush must be replaced for the good of the world.


What a shame.

 
We have a President who is not afraid to speak the truth, and he accepts his responsibility to not only protect America now, but in the future as well.

He is not going to gloss things over and wait for some future administration to handle it.

 
You can be proactive or reactive.
 
You can put out fires or prevent them.
 
For over 11 years we have tried diplomacy with Saddam Hussein, it will never work.  If left to his own vices he will hurt this country and it's citizens again.
 
Congratulations, you are aiding our enemies.
 
I thank God for a president who has the courage to call a spade a spade, one who chooses to be proactive instead of reactive.
 
God bless America.
 
God bless President Bush.
 
There are no easy answers, but the way things have been done in the past has not worked.
 
Not I nor you or any of your columnist can second guess the President's decisions, you think you can but it is not possible, we do not have access to the same information or facts. We can express our opinions and we all can be wrong at any time.
 
I do not agree with everything our government does. But I do support it.
 
Thank You, 

Rick

Response by The Modern Tribune

Bush is more than "proactive," he is "provocative." He appears bent on war with to many countries - his hit list.  I believe it is our duty as Americans to ask questions and interject into the debate which will determine the destiny of the world. As you are probably aware, the public reason for the war has changed numerous times. First, Saddam was behind 9/11 and worked with Bin Laden. Then it was to liberate the Iraqi people. Finally, he is a treat to our security because he has WMD and is trying to get nuclear weapons. In all cases, Bush believes the US is justified to attack first with nuclear weapons if "he" believes at sometime in the future - no matter how remote - a country is a threat to the US. Any one of those stated reasons are good enough for Bush. Because Bush's reasons for war are so spurious many question the real motive - oil, weapons sale, or world domination.

I believe all sides should be considered and that in general the public is not informed enough. Secret reasons for going to war and concealment of alleged evidence to support a war is an abuse of Presidential power and contrary to the "advice and consent" provisions of the Constitution as well as the publics right to know.

I support the Bush efforts to present America as strong - we are. But, I believe his choice of "rhetoric" is unnecessary and reckless. In Bush's famous "axis of evil" speech, the phrase was changed from "axis of hatred" to "evil" because "evil" had religious and theological overtones. Bush does not have to pit religions or cultures or resort to name calling to protect America. He is not putting out fires, he is creating them and increasing the number of enemies.

I strongly support and believe in our troops and their dedication is a tribute to this nation. However, I must question a leadership that would put their lives on the line for no compelling reason. What price should our soldiers pay "now" when Iraq poses no imminent treat to us and Saddam has shown he will not use WMD against us (the Gulf War) and has been contained for 11 years? Containment gives ideas the opportunity to prevail. It worked with Russia. Patience and the idea of freedom will prevail.

Bombing nations does not stop terrorism which hides in the shadows. War upon nations - which entails bombing and killing many innocent people - does not protect our homeland, it creates misery and hatred abroad.  We spent $2.5 billion bombing Afghanistan, yet, are only willing to contribute $10 million to help that country rebuild. Does that seem right to you? It is more important to destroy than build. The destroy to protect mentality is misplaced.

We have the cart before the horse. We should protect our borders and contain our enemy. Aggression in the form of military attack on a nation should only occur as a last resort when necessary to protect ourselves. It may be aiding the enemy to support the war since it is not a just or reasonable war. By supporting the war one acts as a recruiting tool for the terrorists and creates hatred towards Americans, not just the leadership.

D. Lindley Young
Editor
THE MODERN TRIBUNE
editor@themoderntribune


I live in the Georgia, aka "the bible belt", and what amazes me is when I talk to these pro - Bush people and I ask them "Why did you vote for bush".  The most common answer I get is because he practices Christianity.  I don't know much about Christianity, but I know for sure Jesus preached peace.  It seems the common Christian belief is love God, kill everyone else.

James

Response by The Modern Tribune

There are a lot of Christians that oppose war. They have been very active in organizing anti-war protests. The Catholic Church has determined that the war on Iraq is not a "just war." We should not judge all Christians by Bush. His positions on preventative war and first strike nuclear attacks are probably as far removed from Christianity as they are from the American way. According to one Texas paper,  Bush believes he is answering a "call from God" to ri